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A Mountain in the Stream

nytimes.com -- It is now possible to imagine the beginning of the end of a ruinous form of mining called “mountaintop removal.” Local opposition is growing, and the Environmental Protection Agency is tightening rules and threatening to veto one of the largest projects ever proposed.

Enormous harm has already been inflicted on Appalachia’s environment, most acutely in West Virginia. Mountaintop mining involves blasting the tops off mountains to expose subsurface coal seams. The coal is trucked away, but the debris is dumped over the side into the valleys, forests and streams below. As many as 2,000 miles of clear-running streams have been poisoned or buried ..

The dumping is a clear violation of the Clean Water Act. Regulators during the administration of President George W. Bush willfully looked th

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:15,266 Points:1,142,300 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Aug 23, 2010 6:05:52 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse considering the health of the people in the region, even as little as somewhat clean water would be helpful.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:15,266 Points:1,142,300 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Aug 23, 2010 6:04:56 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse 10k: is it possible that some of the things done in 8 years under Bush II are just now being exposed?
rimpyCA Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,550 Points:664,150 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 2:34:35 AM Ignore rimpyCA Report Abuse thats bad
WCCurtis Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:3,304 Points:1,361,795 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 1:23:53 AM Ignore WCCurtis Report Abuse Just Obama trying to destroy Coal and Big Oil. He might as well give up since it will never happen. He is only making Prices go up for us Consumers.
JettaKnight Champion Author Toronto Posts:1,355 Points:1,712,435 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 1:15:44 AM Ignore JettaKnight Report Abuse 30mpg80 Lexington "Been done for years to keep coal price down for cheaper electricity, and to keep coal jobs." Not to keep jobs, but to get rid of them. Blowing up mountain tops & mining the open pits takes FEWER workers than traditional mining does. That's why it's cheaper to mine... and have you noticed coal OR electricity rates going DOWN since they started mining this way under Bush?
10k Champion Author North Carolina Posts:16,595 Points:1,787,870 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 1:12:35 AM Ignore 10k Report Abuse reading that article sure makes one think the new york times is a nobama newspaper.. i ain't no republican, but it's disgusting how everything is bushie boy II's fault, and nobama is the one wearing the white robe, cleaning up bush's mess.. somehow, this democrat, doesn't believe a word falling outta nobama's mouth.. and btw: this story has been in here before, probably about one week ago.. [Edited by: 10k at 8/22/2010 1:13:53 AM EST]
BM4225 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:7,921 Points:1,667,460 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:54:55 AM Ignore BM4225 Report Abuse Well if this passes, there is one old Senator who just went to the promise land that will be rolling over in his grave. For if he really cared about his state, he never would have allowed this to happen.
Z51Corvette Champion Author Austin Posts:6,165 Points:1,225,615 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:49:19 AM Ignore Z51Corvette Report Abuse I would like to see this practice stopped... the pollution it must produce is unacceptable.
Rt118E Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:6,714 Points:906,735 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:47:09 AM Ignore Rt118E Report Abuse We should not do away with nature.
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:7,144 Points:1,146,100 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:45:07 AM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse This should never have been allowed to happen in the first place. I wish I could access the full article.... The link to the original article is a proprietary link. One must have a user ID and password with the New York Times in order to read it. GB news articles should all have open-source links, no exceptions.
TBONE3 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:6,388 Points:1,510,745 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:42:05 AM Ignore TBONE3 Report Abuse Anthracite mining companies have had a long record of discharging sulfur water from the mine into streams and polluting the water,, killing the aquatic life and destroying fertile lands. This should not be allowed period. We all know that once this topping commences, it will not take too long for the companies and federal/state inspectors to get "friendly" and things will go down hill from then on. The regulation of this must be tightly controlled.
Scotty99QC Veteran Author Montreal Posts:275 Points:74,950 Joined:Jul 2010	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:37:27 AM Ignore Scotty99QC Report Abuse Lower income residents around will pay for this.
Bubba44612 Champion Author Ohio Posts:5,183 Points:1,421,070 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:35:52 AM Ignore Bubba44612 Report Abuse About time this happened. What a waste of our environment.
ItsMorph Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:30,089 Points:2,721,175 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:33:48 AM Ignore ItsMorph Report Abuse I can't stand when people willfully destroy the environment.
TheSicilian Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:3,026 Points:1,003,300 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:33:23 AM Ignore TheSicilian Report Abuse never heard of this one I'll need to check this out
djtdi Champion Author San Jose Posts:2,829 Points:523,805 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:31:50 AM Ignore djtdi Report Abuse Finally EPA is doing what it supposed too be doing. Obama, hopefully will bring change as he promised,but we must remember the Bush/Cheney holdovers need to be replaced with civic minded/ethical personnel.
MAC48 All-Star Author Dallas Posts:728 Points:499,925 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:26:16 AM Ignore MAC48 Report Abuse WHAT does this have to do with Gas or Diesel news??
Blue_Cruzer Champion Author Lexington Posts:5,152 Points:1,202,725 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:23:55 AM Ignore Blue_Cruzer Report Abuse Another reason we should have more alternative energy sources.
ByGuy Champion Author Dallas Posts:5,654 Points:1,269,405 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:23:02 AM Ignore ByGuy Report Abuse Right on rxman1!
joel27nc Champion Author Raleigh Posts:8,157 Points:1,392,445 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:22:02 AM Ignore joel27nc Report Abuse Jail the Greedy People.
bababooey2 Champion Author Hartford Posts:3,990 Points:836,165 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:21:55 AM Ignore bababooey2 Report Abuse It's BS , where is fearless leader to save mountains?
rxman1 Champion Author Toledo Posts:7,001 Points:1,397,270 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:16:46 AM Ignore rxman1 Report Abuse How about trucking the unwanted debris to other mountain top mines that are closed and fill them in?
turbosaab Champion Author Cleveland Posts:14,942 Points:1,946,090 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:06:44 AM Ignore turbosaab Report Abuse I'm sure this is an overreaction to something much less odious. It's being reported by the NYT. It's not like it's from a reliable source!
bbreff Champion Author Atlanta Posts:7,647 Points:2,129,065 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:04:09 AM Ignore bbreff Report Abuse This is just another group trying to gain attention.
faulkc05 All-Star Author Atlanta Posts:562 Points:193,540 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2010 12:00:04 AM Ignore faulkc05 Report Abuse People need to understand that change takes time, everyone is quick to criticize but again understand that change takes time, it doesn't happen over night or in 1, 2 or even 4 years.
genef01 Champion Author Nashville Posts:2,611 Points:834,680 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:56:02 PM Ignore genef01 Report Abuse Great point, judgemobile.
FASTR1 Champion Author Michigan Posts:5,432 Points:870,095 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:55:00 PM Ignore FASTR1 Report Abuse Obama people seem to love spending and everyone's taxes raising.
TDIdave Champion Author California Posts:2,802 Points:775,200 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:51:53 PM Ignore TDIdave Report Abuse Bush people seemed to enjoy watching all the pollution going on.
Nicoalbum Champion Author Ottawa Posts:3,581 Points:723,035 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:50:29 PM Ignore Nicoalbum Report Abuse That's what happens all the time.
DrLyon Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,444 Points:752,060 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:42:41 PM Ignore DrLyon Report Abuse Clean up the mining action....
TFowler513 Champion Author Memphis Posts:2,582 Points:978,110 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:42:39 PM Ignore TFowler513 Report Abuse What's next???
DosEquis26 Champion Author Chicago Posts:3,758 Points:1,542,440 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:38:44 PM Ignore DosEquis26 Report Abuse another Bush-Cheney boondoggle.
sammynorge Champion Author Columbus Posts:1,259 Points:326,340 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:35:23 PM Ignore sammynorge Report Abuse One would think that, after voting for change, we'd see some. This is just another reminder that nothing has really changed. The Bushian Nightmare lingers on. Maybe if a couple of leaders had possessed the courage to do their jobs and impeach the entire Bush admin, we'd all be in a much better place right now. Pelosi failed to do her job. Reid failed to do his job. Why are these nincompoops still in leadership positions!?
SUNOIL Champion Author Toledo Posts:2,881 Points:1,467,580 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:35:03 PM Ignore SUNOIL Report Abuse We don't change unless we havew to.
mikaye Champion Author Cleveland Posts:1,801 Points:456,570 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:29:26 PM Ignore mikaye Report Abuse if regulators had not looked the other way, it could not have happened. why is it still being done well after Bush? talk is cheap, do something
preacherjohn Champion Author Modesto Posts:2,381 Points:1,499,290 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:28:10 PM Ignore preacherjohn Report Abuse Somebody is doing great harm to the water supply & no one seems to care.
tobasco Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:6,748 Points:1,756,220 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:16:50 PM Ignore tobasco Report Abuse Make them move it back up the mountain and watch electricity prices soar.
TFzoom All-Star Author Chicago Posts:782 Points:652,230 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:16:37 PM Ignore TFzoom Report Abuse We should recognize that the EPA is in this instance doing what they were charted to do. Thank you Obama administration for doing your job.
serrog Champion Author Nova Scotia Posts:3,303 Points:1,052,935 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:12:41 PM Ignore serrog Report Abuse What fools we mortals be!!!
1988MR2guy Champion Author California Posts:4,404 Points:715,740 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:09:44 PM Ignore 1988MR2guy Report Abuse Obama will fix it. He's SUPERMAN!
mandoid Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:5,042 Points:1,084,155 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:08:25 PM Ignore mandoid Report Abuse agreed regasaz and judgemobile
BrucePen Champion Author Ontario Posts:4,665 Points:975,480 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:07:14 PM Ignore BrucePen Report Abuse Its hard to believe this could be happening in 2010.
regasaz Champion Author Phoenix Posts:3,661 Points:842,010 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:02:58 PM Ignore regasaz Report Abuse Regulators are just as corrupt as the Mining firms..... need to fix the problem at the source.
tedjm1 Champion Author New York Posts:3,540 Points:389,685 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:01:52 PM Ignore tedjm1 Report Abuse Hope they do come up with proper rules to control this type of mining. For the fed to look awat & let it happen is very sad, and does not say much about our leadership.
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:5,619 Points:1,114,250 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 10:56:10 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse where is the EPA?
96sc1 Champion Author El Paso Posts:7,440 Points:1,143,205 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 10:53:47 PM Ignore 96sc1 Report Abuse I think those of you using coal power should pay for the clean up.
justinoles Champion Author Orlando Posts:2,258 Points:553,035 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 10:45:11 PM Ignore justinoles Report Abuse Those responsible must not be human.
judgemobile Champion Author Ohio Posts:5,250 Points:1,984,220 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 10:42:04 PM Ignore judgemobile Report Abuse we do need the coal, but make the mining companies restore the environment AFTER the mining is completed, and post bond to secure the work BEFORE mining starts.
96sc1 Champion Author El Paso Posts:7,440 Points:1,143,205 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 10:40:59 PM Ignore 96sc1 Report Abuse Appalachia has never had much of a future anyway.
ricker8 Champion Author Ontario Posts:3,128 Points:675,325 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2010 10:36:49 PM Ignore ricker8 Report Abuse the companies making all the money doing this only think about the here and now, not the future. Greed seems to rule their lives.