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Exxon, Valero Face New Curbs on Cancer-Causing Gases

Bloomberg -- July 2 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama is considering new curbs on U.S. oil refineries whose gas emissions pose a cancer risk to hundreds of thousands of people living near the plants, setting up a potential conflict with companies over the cost of new regulations.

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Submitted Jul 02, 2009 By: clement007

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geminijax Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:11,307 Points:1,722,720 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 2:30:44 AM Ignore geminijax Report Abuse LetemEatCake: "I am sure that you are a big boy and can come to that opinion without my help. " Hmm! Sure sounds like you're trying to duck the question. Are you able to explain your opinion, in your own words, using facts and figures? If so, let's hear it. BTW, LetemEatCake, just to be perfectly clear, I really don't need your "help" in interpreting solid, verifiable facts/figures. What I really want to see if you can actually substantiate your opinion with facts or if you're merely repeating someone else's opinion. [Edited by: geminijax at 7/4/2009 2:33:03 AM EST]
Blue48 Champion Author Illinois Posts:2,486 Points:632,865 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 11:40:44 PM Ignore Blue48 Report Abuse GOOD TO HEAR SOMEBODY IS WATCHING THIS!!
OilBGone Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,765 Points:712,835 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 11:59:03 AM Ignore OilBGone Report Abuse LetemEatCake - regarding my post from 11:44 PM last night and your response at 12:10 AM...do you not understand SARCASM??? C'mon, you know we normally agree, and we have NOT had that conversation before about the President's name. I was channelling the anti-Obama posters. Please read more carefully, thanks!
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,800 Points:425,520 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 7:47:26 AM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse NavyStore from Seattle... Well said! As another poster said too...'Health is Wealth'! Kamakani from Hawaii... The list is legion...Google it yourself Dude! [Edited by: LetemEatCake at 7/3/2009 7:48:56 AM EST]
Kamakani Champion Author Hawaii Posts:1,790 Points:542,625 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 4:59:31 AM Ignore Kamakani Report Abuse Is there proof?
RLH68 Champion Author Orlando Posts:3,961 Points:732,000 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:23:53 AM Ignore RLH68 Report Abuse rwm1, you said it all.
rwm1 Champion Author Iowa Posts:1,907 Points:813,320 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:16:29 AM Ignore rwm1 Report Abuse Well said Navystore. Its nice to see there is intelligent life on this board. We can't afford not to implement these plans for our long term health and wealth.
NavyStore Champion Author Seattle Posts:2,526 Points:1,148,785 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 2:55:06 AM Ignore NavyStore Report Abuse Yeah, you are all dead on criticizing the President for trying to stop all those people that live in working class neighborhoods and don't have adequate (or most likely any) health insurance from slowly being poisoned by cancer causing pollution. Yeah, if those lazy buggers had any worth, they'd sell crack or rob banks so they can move to a better neighborhood where that won't happen and their kids won't have birth defects or worse. Maybe you guys should watch 'Erin Brockovich' with Julia Roberts; I bet if it was your house and your kids, you'd have a different tune... Oh, and it's President Obama, just like it was President Bush. Show some respect.
spiderjay Champion Author Little Rock Posts:2,250 Points:573,705 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 2:51:44 AM Ignore spiderjay Report Abuse WITH THAT CO² LAWS BEING PASSED THEY CANT FART ON THE JOB EITHER
bosrs All-Star Author Seattle Posts:863 Points:379,985 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 2:41:50 AM Ignore bosrs Report Abuse don't live near it then...
bobdec Champion Author Florida Posts:4,079 Points:799,050 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 2:26:16 AM Ignore bobdec Report Abuse More government meddling, not good
jcurley Champion Author California Posts:3,244 Points:800,335 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 2:25:59 AM Ignore jcurley Report Abuse About time. On a side note: it's shocking to see that some people miss GWB!
applejoe Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,503 Points:516,135 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 2:16:19 AM Ignore applejoe Report Abuse How about we turn off all the refineries, quit manufacturing everything and bacikly go dark. That way we would not have any more emissions and no need for our polititions. That seems like where this administration has us headed. Oh to have George W back, huh?
furiousfowl Champion Author Riverside Posts:11,768 Points:1,787,020 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 2:11:20 AM Ignore furiousfowl Report Abuse always something
Toppers Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,927 Points:1,462,965 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 2:08:39 AM Ignore Toppers Report Abuse More government...stuff-ugghhh!
LuvEd08 All-Star Author Georgia Posts:784 Points:169,975 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 2:08:16 AM Ignore LuvEd08 Report Abuse spreading yourself a little thin here Obama; Focus!
MUSTANGSRUS Champion Author Ontario Posts:4,534 Points:961,320 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:57:35 AM Ignore MUSTANGSRUS Report Abuse One more way to delay an economic recovery. For as God made little green apples the price increases will be astronomical. It seems these days if you name any product, food or drink, you increase the risk of cancer.
007HS Champion Author California Posts:6,959 Points:1,852,135 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:57:07 AM Ignore 007HS Report Abuse Let us start worrying about the CANCER in WA WA D.C. that is KILLING our Constitutional Republic???
pbc2001 Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,311 Points:416,430 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:55:48 AM Ignore pbc2001 Report Abuse Alternative fuels is a must!
Rudy Champion Author Detroit Posts:27,992 Points:2,800,280 Joined:Aug 2002	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:54:51 AM Ignore Rudy Report Abuse what doesn't cause cancer. Hey Obama, smoking cigarettes causes cancer!! (he's trying to quit though, but has admitted falling off the wagon).
BartBuzz Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,734 Points:770,410 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:48:43 AM Ignore BartBuzz Report Abuse Doesn't Obama have enough to do fixing the economy and fighting the terrorists? Now he's looking for an excuse to stop oil refineries. So for all he seems to do is regulate and spend and tax.
EOCSSEABEE All-Star Author Detroit Posts:735 Points:210,120 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:44:37 AM Ignore EOCSSEABEE Report Abuse Again, playing right into obama's hand. Keep us buying foreign oil. He is such a smuck.
spike1zz Champion Author Indiana Posts:4,727 Points:606,995 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:42:01 AM Ignore spike1zz Report Abuse I think living, breathing, eating causes cancer. Lets all die now
96sc1 Champion Author El Paso Posts:5,389 Points:696,980 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:39:44 AM Ignore 96sc1 Report Abuse where does Obama find the time?
250FORD Champion Author Minnesota Posts:7,484 Points:1,197,585 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:32:25 AM Ignore 250FORD Report Abuse I actually agree with this one.
kcboy Champion Author Utah Posts:1,026 Points:791,875 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:30:34 AM Ignore kcboy Report Abuse Is Obama finding out that emissions pose a cancer risk. This has been going on for many many years.
swartzrora Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,465 Points:422,285 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:30:01 AM Ignore swartzrora Report Abuse He's the Wiz alright. You ask for it. U got it. Obama O ne B ig A ss M istake A merica
djoumy All-Star Author New York Posts:872 Points:385,950 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:28:49 AM Ignore djoumy Report Abuse this is a way to develop all alternate energies system.
cutter1330 Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:2,936 Points:682,260 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:27:39 AM Ignore cutter1330 Report Abuse Obama is the Wizard of OZ
dkinsf Champion Author San Jose Posts:2,367 Points:668,985 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:21:24 AM Ignore dkinsf Report Abuse I don't know, but it seems like a good idea to reduce cancer causing gases. Why would people be for added more of this stuff into the air?
john382 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,361 Points:1,475,325 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:18:38 AM Ignore john382 Report Abuse Well we lost 467000 jobs in June looks like we going to loose some more to.
Helms Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:4,106 Points:1,195,665 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:11:07 AM Ignore Helms Report Abuse but in charge and that makes him both scary and dangerous.....I hear smith and wesson demand a recount
CPR54 Champion Author Austin Posts:5,455 Points:1,301,985 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:06:36 AM Ignore CPR54 Report Abuse obama is looney
clement007 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:1,933 Points:840,075 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:59:12 AM Ignore clement007 Report Abuse What else can Mr. President get into? The President is not a dictator he is over stepping his boundries and the contsitution!
Saturn93 Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:4,038 Points:974,390 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:58:04 AM Ignore Saturn93 Report Abuse Pres. Obama just wants to be sure that no one can afford to buy gasoline in this country so that we will have to buy expensive new hybrid or alternative fuel vehicles, many of which are so light weight as to be unsafe on our nations highways and freeways. Good luck.
vulcan96 Champion Author Ohio Posts:17,676 Points:2,089,520 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:57:36 AM Ignore vulcan96 Report Abuse even more price increases comming - thanks a lot !!! NOT !
sammy09 Veteran Author Twin Cities Posts:277 Points:322,190 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:56:33 AM Ignore sammy09 Report Abuse a very high price to pay indeed - health is wealth
Blue_Cruzer Champion Author Lexington Posts:2,802 Points:732,810 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:55:17 AM Ignore Blue_Cruzer Report Abuse Alternative fuels.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,800 Points:425,520 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:52:30 AM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse 10k from North Carolina... Just a reminder the President's name is OBAMA without the embellishment. You needn't agree with him, in fact that you don't could make this thread more interesting IF you had a solution to the issue of cancer-causing gasses. I am not too fond either, at what appears to me, as racial innuendos about the President. If you meant them, as I read them...perhaps you should take it to another forum. Further, as a citizen, you owe the office respect. Just the basic stuff you learned at home. Schoolyard puns belong with the boys in the schoolyard. Can we get back Can we get back to the issue of cancer causing gases from refineries? Our future is alternative energy as other posters have already mentioned. [Edited by: LetemEatCake at 7/3/2009 12:53:17 AM EST]
rxman1 Champion Author Toledo Posts:4,142 Points:869,830 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:43:09 AM Ignore rxman1 Report Abuse Pollution has decreased in my lifetime but it can never be zero.
Don1222 Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,004 Points:724,680 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:40:22 AM Ignore Don1222 Report Abuse Alternative fuels.
NavyEOD Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:4,949 Points:1,020,990 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:38:07 AM Ignore NavyEOD Report Abuse The price at the pump would hit the roof.
DarthDadJr Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,167 Points:607,365 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:36:45 AM Ignore DarthDadJr Report Abuse Again...we need to find a way to increase refining capacity or once the recession is over, demand will swamp supply and prices will rise to new highs.
dl72 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:2,272 Points:415,085 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:34:49 AM Ignore dl72 Report Abuse Well I am glad to see someone in government actually is trying to do something about it.
dannyshouse Champion Author San Francisco Posts:1,454 Points:645,135 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:29:25 AM Ignore dannyshouse Report Abuse Sounds like Richmond, CA and adjacent Rodeo, CA areas where air pollution and airborne health hazards occur frequently from the oil refineries.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,800 Points:425,520 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:27:34 AM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse geminijax... I am sure that you are a big boy and can come to that opinion without my help.
geminijax Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:11,307 Points:1,722,720 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:25:52 AM Ignore geminijax Report Abuse LetemEatCake, you made a comment about the "obscene profits" of Big Oil. Would you elaborate so as to why you consider their profits to be "obscene"?
CruisinLinda Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:6,272 Points:1,258,895 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:25:10 AM Ignore CruisinLinda Report Abuse Oh, that Obama is so bad! Trying to prevent thousands of people near U.S. refineries from air pollution, imagine that! He must be a...a...socialist. That's what! Cancer is an American disease. We should have the Freedom to get cancer if we want. No Nanny State should be telling us what to get!
philthethrill Champion Author Hamilton Posts:3,023 Points:603,140 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:25:03 AM Ignore philthethrill Report Abuse i agree with you - LetemEatCake - i don't live near one but there has to be some basis for these complaints - it makes good corporate sense Not to kill or injure your neighbours
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,800 Points:425,520 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:24:35 AM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse TommyTraveler from Cincinnati... Sounds like you are referring to that ridiculous Joe Barton Blog called: "BARTON: Sending us back to 1875 - Reducing our carbon footprint". Nea? Please remember, if that is the case...Barton's credentials are more than a bit suspect. HE IS SO FAR UP THE REAR OF BIG OIL HE CANNOT SEE OUT! I also believe Joe and the Texas Governor were in cahoots on the issue of Texas seceding from the Union recently. That didn't work out too well in 1865! Can we get back to the issue of cancer causing gases from refineries? Our future is alternative energy as other posters have already mentioned. [Edited by: LetemEatCake at 7/3/2009 12:25:10 AM EST]